Salon.com MobileA man who thinks it's perfectly alright to pray for someones death and rejoice in the murder of another human being. Here is a man who has decided that anyone who does things he doesn't agree with deserves to be killed. There is no possibility of reasoned discourse of even peaceful co-existance with people who have decided that religious beliefs superseed the laws of the land to the point where murder is justified. This is a man who is saying that it's a good thing to kill a man for performing a legal medical procedure because it's against his religion. This man and every one of his compatriots and every organisation to which he belongs should be investigated under the Counter Terrorism Act and the Patriot Act as a terrorist supporter. It's time to clean up our own house before we expect the rest of the world be with us in fighting terrorism.
Please kill Wiley Drake and ALan Keyes and Randall Terry. I would like Drake's death to be especially painful since he is a monster worse than Hitler. Thank you lord for answering my prayer as soon as possible.
...but be careful what you wish for.
Hey Koppleman, where is the story about the US serviceman killed by a muslim terrorist yesterday?
Where, indeed?
Thank you for noticing the same story I read this morning in USA Today. For those of you who missed it, one Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhannad (born Carlos Bledsoe of Memphis, TN) allegedly shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station, killing one this past Monday.
"Police Chief Stuart Thomas...said Muhammad would be charged with first-degree murder, plus 15 counts of committing a terroristic act. He said those counts result from the gunfire occurring near other people."
Looks like Wichita, KS, site of the recent murder of Dr. George Tiller, could use a chief of police like Mr. Thomas. He sure knows a domestic terrorist when he sees one.
Yes, there should most definitely be a story about this on Salon. Thank you for your vigilance and sense of fair play.
C'mon Alex, how about a story for me and my new pal Farragut?
If the Republicans represent Christ then Alan Keyes is a white man!
I can't call the anti-choice crowd "pro-life" any more, but "anti-choice" doesn't capture the essence of the debate. We need a new phrase. Ideas?
Someone suggested "forced birthers" the other day. I like that one.
I also like "Protect the fetus, neglect the child," but it's kind of a mouthful. Maybe "Fetus First" is short enough?
God's name was Drake. Since, I mean, Drake seems to know the dispensation of Dr. Tiller's soul.
Dr. Tiller saved the lives of thousands of women. What will God say about that?
There are no "pro-lifers". There are anti-abortionists, but being "pro-life" is quixotic at best, usually hypocritical, and always absurd.
The stark hypocrisy of "pro-life" murder should be obvious to all but the idiotic and/or ideological.
It reveals that the real argument is not "pro-life" versus "pro-choice", but guns versus abortion. The actual issue under discussion is; shall killing be permitted prenatally or postnatally? It is a city-versus-country dispute over a detail of timing.
There are other compromises with necessity; self-defense, capital punishment, defensive war. They may be justifiable, but they are by definition not "pro-life", except in the Orwellian sense.
There are no pro-lifers because there is no free lunch. In the absence of infinite wealth, people must pick and choose whom to help and whom to deny, sometimes even in matters of life and death.
Take Dr. Tiller's patients. He treated the hard cases, the obstetric disasters, the doomed pregnancies fated to yield dead baby or dead mother or both. In such cases, there does not exist a "pro-life" medical option; late-term abortion is the least bad choice.
These sorts of bad choices happen all the time. They're natural, they're built into the world. If God exists, and created such a world, then God is certainly not a pro-lifer. Therefore it is folly for mortals to call themselves "pro-life"; for that would be to claim moral superiority over God and Nature.
I say we should retire the phrase "pro-lifer". There are none.
Hurrah! Godwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) has escaped the internet and has now roaming free in the real world!
I thought I had seen enough wingnuttery to be unshockable, but Drake comparing Tiller to Hitler (with higher marks for the latter) made me gasp out loud.
That was more or less the observation I made as a wee lad of about five... asking my mother "Why are there so many churches? Why isn't there only one church, if there's only one God?".... her stammering answer only confirmed my child's impression of "bullshit"... it was at that moment my still unformed opinion of "God" and "religion" was formed. NOTHING has surfaced to change that impression in the subsequent 55 years. To the contrary, every experience I've had with ANY organized religion has confirmed my initial assessment.
Where is the story on the US soldier killed by a muslim terrorist in Arkansas yesterday?
Dr. Tiller was on his way into church when he was murdered. Of course it was a Lutheran church, not Southern Baptist, so in Drake's mind, perhaps being a Lutheran doesn't count as being a Christian.
Heh.
Well, on every corner in my little Southern towm, there are three Baptist churches, and every Sunday, they are all 2/3 empty because each one thinks that the other two are doing it wrong.
The Irony of Keys and Randell comparing Tiller to Hitler and abortions to the Nazi, is the this radical ANTI Abortions crowd is like Hitler and the Nazi themselves.
1. Hitler banned legal abortion in Germany.
2. Hitler forced medical procedure, (not abortions) on women, children and others. The ANTIS want to force women to continue pregnancy even those pregnancies which are a danger to a woman's health and life. Women seeking abortions in the U.s are making a CHOICE, they are not forced to have abortions.
3. Hitler limited the rights to privacy, so do ANTIS.
4. Hitler used brown shirts to intimidate the public to adhere to his beliefs. The ANTIS brown shirts is OR.
5. Hitler used misinformation propaganda to promote his agenda, much like the radical ANTIs do in the U.s.
